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The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do?

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:40 pm
by Paul Drabek
Hey everyone;

The word on the street is that Rocky Mountain Coasters is going to do one of their makeovers on The Boss at Six Flags St. Louis. While I love the Boss when it is running well getting it to do that is really hard and extremely rare so I don't mind a Rocky Mountain makeover. So what would you like to see done to the Boss?

Here's my list:

1. Scrap the name..."The Boss" doesn't fit the England part of the park...Call it "The King"

2. 90 degree first drop AND off of the block brake.

3. Some sort of a wicked inversion for one of The Boss' high turnarounds.

4. Use the same track/trains as Outlaw Run...I'm no big fan of hybrids. Keep The Boss wood!

5. Do something with the helix...make it twisted and wicked in some interesting way...maybe make it like the helix on Harry Traver's Cyclone.
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The helix is to the left.

6. Make it fast and AGGRESSIVE with plenty of Negative-G's.

That's what I'd do...how about you?

Have Fun

Paul

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:59 pm
by dare-to-fly
Here's what I would do - re-track as needed using traditional wooden coaster tracking and keep it exactly the way it is. You asked. :) ;)

...also, I'm not convinced that I won't consider Outlaw Run a hybrid coaster due to its non-traditional track.

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:11 pm
by TNT
It either needs a Texas Giant treatment or Outlaw Run treatment. I don't care which one it just needs one of those. Six Flags has worked hard to keep the Boss smooth, unfortunately its not working all that well. Plus RMC could make this good coaster even better.

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:22 am
by Vonni
For the most part I want the same layout, with these exceptions/additions:

1. 90 degree first drop and off block brake (stole the idea from Paul, as I too like it!)

2. 90 degree banking on all ot the turnarounds

3. Add a double barrel roll where the camel backs are next to the station.

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:48 pm
by CoasterDemon
Well this is great but disturbing. Great because it seems whatever RMC touches turns to gold, but disturbing because I thought Boss was one of the best rides ever last September during Dare Devil Daze.

I thought it had a couple rough spots in the large pull-outs and helix, but overall was the in the best shape I ever experienced (I had previously only rode it in 2000 and 2001). It was fast as heck, air time all over the place. I sat on the ride during ERT, while everyone else was over at Screamin' Eagle.

Was it the cool night that made it so good? It was coaster heaven to me! Screamin' Eagle didn't touch it by a longshot.

I think some topper track would be useful in the large pull-outs and helix, but other than that the ride was great. Of course, a full on Iron Horse treatment would be interesting. I'm sure they would do a great job!
dare-to-fly wrote:Here's what I would do - re-track as needed using traditional wooden coaster tracking and keep it exactly the way it is. You asked. :) ;)
I guess I just backed that up :)
dare-to-fly wrote:...also, I'm not convinced that I won't consider Outlaw Run a hybrid coaster due to its non-traditional track.
Totally agreed. It's a no-brainer to me, for arguments sake. But other than that, I don't really care what it is. It's supposedly one of the best rides ever built, so that's what matters :)

And while we are going with that - Colossus, American Eagle and the original Texas Giant were also hybrids. All 3 have/had metal "I-beam" tracks.

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:28 pm
by Greg
Inspired by the cyclone photo Paul pictured, I can see an amazing helix coming off the second drop. Wow!

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:54 pm
by bratman
I see the hyper that Paul craves coming out of it.

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:11 pm
by Paul Drabek
Greg wrote:Inspired by the cyclone photo Paul pictured, I can see an amazing helix coming off the second drop. Wow!
:-)

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:01 pm
by johnny.ink
If we are just spitballing, how about start with a lim launch into a barrel roll right out of the station ala Hydra, and split the helix and instead have the coaster do an elevated flyby of the sign making the flames torch up when it flys by the front doing a flatspin loop.

I fully expect RMC to bust a loop out (a vertical one) soon.

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:29 pm
by TNT
After sitting in the employee parking lot and watching it run I thought it would be cool to have the first big turn around turned into a cobra roll. Then lower the second turn around by 10 ft. so it gives a bit more air time. Then, grand finale, add a barrel roll after the helix. Of course add some better trains and a steeper drop.

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:59 pm
by CoasterDemon
johnny.ink wrote:I fully expect RMC to bust a loop out (a vertical one) soon.
I think there was a video or interview with Adam Skilke (sp?) of RMC saying they were not going to do any "vertical loops or high G maneuvers." Kinda stinks, but maybe they will change their minds. Thing is, with a vertical loop you almost have to go with a high-back or tall head rest.

All this reminds me of Mind Bender at SFOG: it's like a really smooth woodie, but with loops!

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:41 pm
by Vonni
I saw that interview too CoasterDemon. Although, if they were to do it I think it would be awesome! A lot of people reference SOB but I dont think its even close to comparison to what RMC is capable of.

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:47 am
by Paul Drabek
But I want high G maneuvers. Still at least they are pro high negative-g maneuvers. :-).

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:38 am
by CoasterDemon
^Heck yeah! They could do a vertical loop... I mean, even the one on Son Of Beast was near-perfect. But not as perfect as Anton's loops :D

Re: The Boss Redone Rocky Mountain Style...What would you do

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:34 am
by Sora
If you're going to put a loop on a wooden coaster then it needs to have wooden rails.